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[hfc08stutes]

Feb 7, 2016 23:00:25 GMT lexus2 said:

Get rid of Rumens, Key , and McGeorge???!!!!
Seriously??!! Have a word with yourself!!!!
There's other players need shipping out before those three
The dug out want to liven up too , far too quiet!!

Like I've mentioned above certainly don't feel Rogan and Rumens have done anything to warrant someone calling for them to leave/dropped, Key I feel is a good player but has dropped a little off his best in the second half of this season. Absolutely agree that the bench is too quiet! I know sometimes the boys have been a little guilty of not talking to each other but I hear very little guidance from the bench. I did hear steve shouting one or two instructions out against Hitchen but this needs to increase 10 fold, that's including his assistant. As much as we need leaders on the pitch, we need them off it as well, especially given the age and inexperience of some of the lads. I understand where you are coming from Clive but communication is so vital and that includes the coaches as well, before, during and after the game. I hope everyone is vocal and up for it this Wednesday, this could act as the perfect springboard and confidence booster if we finally get one over City in the league, which is long overdue. They may be slightly improved this time out compared to the red insure cup game but I still think they are more than beatable. We were deservedly 2-1 up against 7th in the league Saturday. If we can have play like that in both halves, close everything down instead of letting them run freely and bloody mark properly we should, fingers crossed be coming back with a much needed 3 points! I hope many of us travel and are also vocal, it can make a lot of difference! Keep Believing COYS !!!

[cliveh]

Sorry, don't agree at all.
Captain on the field should be doing all the shouting, instructing, cajoling, encouraging. Technical areas dispensed with. Well behaved managers and coaches in dug out or sitting in the bloody stand like they all used to!!!! Wouldn't need that ridiculous 4th official then!
Did Dave MacKay need a manager screaming and shouting from the touch line? No he didn't. Billy Nich told him what was expected. Dave ensured it did. It just didn't happen in those days. Why does it have to now?

[hfc08stutes]

Feb 8, 2016 11:07:08 GMT cliveh said:

Sorry, don't agree at all.
Captain on the field should be doing all the shouting, instructing, cajoling, encouraging. Technical areas dispensed with. Well behaved managers and coaches in dug out or sitting in the bloody stand like they all used to!!!! Wouldn't need that ridiculous 4th official then!
Did Dave MacKay need a manager screaming and shouting from the touch line? No he didn't. Billy Nich told him what was expected. Dave ensured it did. It just didn't happen in those days. Why does it have to now?

Well I guess different opinions are just one of many beauties of the game Clive. Just like the captain, the manager/coach are there to lead, man manage, encourage, set and over see a game plan and ensure that the team sticks to it. This job does not only come into effect before, in the break and after the game, it is his job throughout the game, IMO. Behaviour and levels of temperament are a completely separate matter. Just because some managers are extremely vocal doesn't mean they are all badly behaved. I think it's vital that the manager communicates throughout the whole of a game, just like in any work place, a manager is there to ensure their workforce is maintaining a good/expected level of productivity. Some of our players have little experience in this league so getting that extra bit of vocal support from the sidelines is vital. In my experience in playing, the best manager I ever had was former stute Matty Haniver. He was clear with his game plan before KO, would shout encouragement and various instructions throughout the game, saved any needed constructive criticisms for half-time and at Full time would go over what went right/wrong throughout the game and most importantly made sure we left on a positive, win or lose.

[cliveh]

Probably a generation thing hfc. Respect your opinion though.
I agree re Matt Haniver. I've seen him at work at Goddy a few times. Really impressed. Manager of the future without any doubt.

[hfc08stutes]

Yeah I guess it is, don't get me wrong, their are some managers who do more damage than good when shouting from the sideline, (I know all to well from when I was a colts player!) but I think if the right balance is found then managers should certainly keep the chatter up from the sidelines. As for Matty, It would be great somewhere along the line if he got involved with the coaching side of things for HFC. I only played under him for a year but in that time, he made more sense of the game than any other coach I ever had, I certainly had more confidence playing under him and I feel I developed as a player.

[ewstute]

Managers who shout out tactical and game advice is fine as they are actually helping the team and trying to sort the team out. Ones who shout abuse and negativity are the ones who are the problem. We saw it far too often at the Glassworld in recent seasons. The players would start to do it themselves and it resulted in bad performances and often bookings/red cards.

[cliveh]

We all deserve an opinion, and this forum is brilliant. Sometimes a difference of opinion, but never abuse amongst posters. A far cry from a certain club's fan's forum.
I happen to detest the dug-out 'activity' nowadays. Matt Haniver stands in his tech area and issues advice and encouragement to his team. That is everything that anybody needs. Sadly, he is an example of an enormous minority.
How is it, can someone then tell me, how Player Managers succeeded as they did, and still do. The tactics, instructions, and changes were carried out ON THE PITCH. He acted individually and alone in decision making whilst also, usually, playing a vital part as a team payer. As opposed to that vision of a manager/coach,plus his assistant, prowling the touch-line, issuing non-stop vehement criticisms & comments to his team, the opponents, and officials. A good Captain can do that on the pitch, being in tune with the ideas and thoughts of the Manager. A long, long time ago, granted, but it all worked so well when i enjoyed my best playing days. A p/m directing operations on the pitch with no screaming, cursing, abuse to officials, ranting, raving. Everyone respected the guy as he was an ex International. Did I mention Respect there?
Don't knock Steve Fallon for being quiet on the touch line. That is not the reason we are struggling. In fact, it bears no relevance, IMO.

[scottymc]

Fans will be upset with the current situation at Histon on/off the field. The club has nothing to spend to improve the playing squad with as we are all well aware of & I would suggest that the club are exactly where they should be on the 'budget' so although people are upset you also need to be realistic & not expect to much. Losing Jordan was a big blow as is Sam Ives being out injured & the loss of trotman & Tilley after thier successful loan spells.
In regards to Rogan fans need to realise that he is playing with sists on his hip & is playing through the pain barrier, giving as much as he has got because the squad is simply threadbare, he will need an operation to remove the sists at some point but has delayed the op & had a deep bone injection to be able to play games for the club. Absolutely everyone has a right to voice their opinions all the same & lets hope that the club gets some investment to enable them to sustain football at this level &/or above??

[cliveh]

That's a great post. Suspect it's Rogan's brother.
Personally, I think Rogan should be the manager's voice on the pitch. He is a leader. Captains are not necessarily the best players. But they are influential. And that is the word.
Rogan and Fal must be, and I'm sure they are, a team.
As I said, Rogan is a leader. He is the voice and influence, on the pitch, of the Manager.
No need, therefore, for that technical area to be inhabited!!!!

[stevec]

Don't every remember Steve doing to much shouting from the touchline when he was managing us before but perhaps he did not need to so much, I appreciate circumstances are different now but there is always plenty of opportunity to get important messages to the team through the match. I prefer this style to those who shout and rant at their teams from the side. Interesting post about Rogan, much appreciated cos it helps our understanding and should make us even more determined than ever to support our team 

[berbatov]

I think all Histon supporters should realise the commitment the players are giving to the club in a sterling effort to sustain SLP football at the GW. Rogans story is one of many and the guy is such an influence at the club. Also there are others who could earn more money elsewhere but Stay loyal and give the club, teammates and supporters 100 per cent every week. And most crucially there are players not getting any money who show great desire as they realise that Histon is their shop window to parade their talents to the watching scouts. How anyone can criticise Manager or players in the present circumstances is beyond comprehension as Histon FC try and work another miracle escape from relegation. The words " relegation could be good for the club and help young players to find their level" is way off the mark. Good luck to Steve, Dan and the lads as they face up to two local derbies they have no right to win against local, well funded rivals. Good passion shown by all contributors on here which dare I say matches the players. Never seen a Histon team give less than everything. This could be the reason we survive particularly as a couple of the bottom four are beginning to show they are up for the fight.

[hfc08stutes]

Feb 8, 2016 20:24:53 GMT stevec said:

Don't every remember Steve doing to much shouting from the touchline when he was managing us before but perhaps he did not need to so much, I appreciate circumstances are different now but there is always plenty of opportunity to get important messages to the team through the match. I prefer this style to those who shout and rant at their teams from the side. Interesting post about Rogan, much appreciated cos it helps our understanding and should make us even more determined than ever to support our team 

It's because John Beck did all the shouting Again I don't see why there is such an objection to managers being vocal, plenty of successful managers are but there we go! As for the comment about we are where we should be, I guess there is some weight in that. I do feel that we shot ourself in the foot early on in the season however when we clearly over-budgeted. losing the likes of smudge and McGowen in particular was a major blow and no doubt unsettled the team. Trotman and Tilney were good loan signings and I am surprised we haven't played the loan market more, especially given our financial plight, one would have thought that when we sold Nicholson we would have negotiated a couple of loanees in return as part of the deal!?

[histonfan01]

Great comments by all, I love it when the message board gets going as its been a bit flat recently.
Agree re loan market as I would have thought we could have got someone in. Would be interested to know what we got for Jordan, hopefully the club got a fair deal

[stevec]

Fair point about Beck ewstute, I suppose it depends which approach the majority of players respond best to, but as a supporter I prefer to see motivational  verbal encouragement to come from leaders on the field and I can't see Steve changing his style. I am not sure why we have not been  able to secure any more loan deals cos we have had some good lads on that basis over the last few seasons.

[ewstute]

Re; loans

Strange how we've had nothing from Peterborough or Cambridge United. Even Soham just got a loanee from Cambridge last week.

Surely there's someone out there we can have.