|
|
Post by ftm on Aug 19, 2008 18:34:00 GMT
I think the last post shows how desperately overdue tomorrow's forum is. The fans also need a public, definitive and full statement on the situation. This episode is putty in the Cambridge United fans' hands. They don't need to work very hard to find ammunition for picking Histon FC apart. Fans that want to have a go at their rival club should at least have to work hard on their jibes.
At a previous forum the chairman defended the decision to send news items to the CEN and Radio Cambs ahead of the club's website. While I can see why they do this with routine stories such as team news I think this whole episode could have been handled so much better if a full statement was placed on the Histon FC website immediately after the appeal, if not the original case. Even if it stated something like that the club believed Pope was innocent and could not comment further due to legal reasons.
Instead we have had the odd quote in the newspaper and very little of substance on the webpage. The CEN is not the voice of Histon. They pick and choose which stories to run. They can edit quotes and the stories stay live only as long as the CEN wish. The club website is the place for full statements from the club. This has been missing. The Histon fans have not had the opportunity to hear their club's line on this whole sorry affair and I am disappointed in the way this whole sorry episode has unfolded.
|
|
|
|
Post by sooty on Aug 19, 2008 18:50:24 GMT
Big Phil...are you big by stature...age ...or mouth? Grow up.
My reason for coming and writing a report and posting it in the 3 forums is to avoid the above happening such as D007 is contemplating. You have a fledling fan base...something like this can finish you before you even start. It's clear to me and as D007 alludes too that something be it experience...wisdom or maturity is missing in dealing with this. What I offer as a local fan...friend to all 3 fan bases...and being brown...is a unique conduit for what these fans need to know. Now...if your officials are full of cr*p...then it will have to be said. If they have a genuine point then that needs to be aired too.
We have 3 fans banned at present...unfairly. They are innocent of any 'crimes' CUFC Ltd have aimed at them. We are supporting them to the hilt. Did they step on the pitchside due to mitigating circumstances? YES they did. Did Craig say summink due to mitigating circumstances...apparently so. Are the banned 3 football hooligans? No. Is Craig a racist? No. So...we have commonality and we see a fine line between justice..and victimisation.
I accept anything could be the truth. Do i trust hearings/courts...no. Do I think there is the potential for Histon people to not grasp the 'race' issue...yes. Graham Eales will understand my view. So I come seeking understanding of your plight...and will speak straight and honest about my findings to all 3 fan groups via this marvellous non pencil environment...the net.
If I was an enemy....i'd let you get on with it and let you make a worse bed for yourselves. You've done that without any help or support from me already....it can't get worse can it?!x
LUV
SOOTY
X
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2008 19:32:39 GMT
I think any Histon fans supposing that the fans forum will provide them with the 'truth' should seriously consider reviewing that opinion.
The most salient fact yet to come out of this saga is this: Craig Pope has been found guilty of making racist remarks. Let that take precedence over all else, because it ought to.
With Histon continuing to deny this, they are walking a tightrope here, it's an explosive issue and they've dealt with it badly from the start. A disrepute charge is a serious possiblity, when Histon are so brazenly refuting the charge which was lawfully passed by the FA.
I hope somebody has the strength and conviction to ask the difficult questions at this forum, they really need to be asked.
|
|
|
|
Post by 1993stutes on Aug 19, 2008 19:40:52 GMT
I think any Histon fans supposing that the fans forum will provide them with the 'truth' should seriously consider reviewing that opinion. The most salient fact yet to come out of this saga is this: Craig Pope has been found guilty of making racist remarks. Let that take precedence over all else, because it ought to. With Histon continuing to deny this, they are walking a tightrope here, it's an explosive issue and they've dealt with it badly from the start. A disrepute charge is a serious possiblity, when Histon are so brazenly refuting the charge which was lawfully passed by the FA. I hope somebody has the strength and conviction to ask the difficult questions at this forum, they really need to be asked. you have repeatedly 'proved' your point to us, now youre getting on most of our nerves, so please refrain from posting rubbish as you are not gaining respect from anyone on here! |
|
|
|
Post by 1993stutes on Aug 19, 2008 19:44:10 GMT
pope may have proven to be guilty, however the only person who is definete of knowing what has been said is craig himself, so we cannot be sure of what was really said, its like a game of chinese whispers, which is unreliable!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2008 19:54:55 GMT
Not fussed if I'm annoying anyone, I'll be here as long as people like you keep repeating your nonsense like ''its like a game of chinese whispers, which is unreliable!''
The FA trial did not consist of chinese whispers, rather first-hand accounts and TV footage, assessed by those with the relevant skills to analyse it. Far from chinese whispers.
I'm just appauled by the attitude of some on here, so if I seem like a man on a mission, it's because I am. I fear I'll have to double my efforts after the fans forum.
If I wasn't making any valid points I would've been ignored.
|
|
|
|
Post by 1993stutes on Aug 19, 2008 20:08:13 GMT
Personally we all have reasons to believe that Craig is guilty or not of his adjectives in the game, but whatever we have been told we cannot be sure its correct, like many things we hear these days, like the ben farrell situation, and george rolls' 'resignation'
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2008 20:13:07 GMT
Absolutely - our fans will always take the initiative and ask the difficult, critical questions. We won't be preached to, we won't buy into spin. I look forward to seeing those questions answered.
Fans forums are a place for fans to make themselves heard and have questions answered...remember that.
|
|
|
|
Post by copycatstute on Aug 20, 2008 7:32:45 GMT
Craig Pope is innocent!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2008 7:36:45 GMT
I totally agree with ftm's view. In the early days, certain Cambridge United fans went fishing on the old message board and I was accused of being racist as I supported Pope. Perhaps for that reason, I do feel a little let down by the club not releasing information straight after the appeal. I do understand the "unable to comment" until after the appeal but it has all taken too long for a proper comment to be made from the club.
Unfortunately I will not be able to attend the forum tonight...I am at Wembley to watch England with Awaytravelandy. I have no problem with Sooty, indeed I respect many of his views but he is considered to be a Cambridge Unted fan first and foremost so a report given by him could be considered biased. If ftm is going to be there and is willing, perhaps he would be a better person to give a report.
|
|
|
|
Post by stags08 on Aug 20, 2008 7:54:34 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by ftm on Aug 20, 2008 7:58:16 GMT
Unfortunately I cannot make it either. I desperately want to go along but I need to be at the Wilburton Beer Fest presentation evening tonight where we are handing out the donations to local charities.
I would be interested to hear what is said by both fans and club and I look forward to hearing from Sooty and the others after the fans' forum.
|
|
|
|
Post by sooty on Aug 20, 2008 8:28:16 GMT
Oldman sez..."I have no problem with Sooty, indeed I respect many of his views but he is considered to be a Cambridge Unted fan first and foremost so a report given by him could be considered biased. If ftm is going to be there and is willing, perhaps he would be a better person to give a report."
Thanx for your considered post Oldman...X I appreciate what your saying mate regarding my U's hat...however...being a football supporter whoever the club is is 'social' and not a priority in my life. Some may think it is considering my activity on these forums etc....but the reality is that my contributions are made over about an hour a day during coffee breaks etc! That means I devote 23 hours to more important things...such as the 2 hours or so this evening! If I apply your thought processes which are fair to the fact i'm also brown....then where does that fit into the potential of me being bias?!! I would have thought that aspect of my life could potentially be more of a factor than which team I support....yet you didn't think that...or perhaps you did but didn't say it?! Interesting eh?!x
@@
~
LUV
SOOTY
X
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2008 8:52:20 GMT
Sooty, I said what I did because of your Cambridge United connection, not for any other reason...you can be green with purple spots for all I care. I just worry that if you are making the observations rather than "one of our own" a conspiracy theory could start thats all. Although thinking about it further perhaps that would actually add to a conspiracy theory. I really really want to have a views expressed so that I can make a proper judgement without being there. Perhaps more than one observation would be better still....anyway...good on you for taking an interest in local football in the small amount of time that you have.
|
|
|
|
Post by bennyb on Aug 20, 2008 11:43:07 GMT
Barry George - 2001......................................................Guilty
Barry George - 2008......................................................Innocent
That cost you and i £10 million
I wonder how many of us assumed his guilt in 2001?
|
|
