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Post by ftm on Aug 21, 2008 7:29:51 GMT
That chant doesn't even make sense, for 2 reasons. 1) What happens in July? 2) We're not the club that has had fans join us as gloryhunters for a few years.... Shame on you for biting at a childish post!  If we could come back to the real world for a few minutes, and leave the playground stuff to one side. Maybe we could have a separate section of the message board for the "my club's better than yours" stuff? Does anybody have any craic from last night? I would like to know what was discussed. Gutted that I couldn't make it, but at such short notice there was no way I could get out of my other committment. |
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Post by stags08 on Aug 21, 2008 8:25:49 GMT
That chant doesn't even make sense, for 2 reasons. 1) What happens in July? 2) We're not the club that has had fans join us as gloryhunters for a few years.... Shame on you for biting at a childish post! Indeed, I've heard it a few times though and wondered if there was any relevance to 'july' or if it's just poor song writing. |
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Post by hops on Aug 21, 2008 11:56:40 GMT
Very quick overview for you ftm:
We were shown the video of the incident and the player who heard the incident was further away from Pope than the ref, Danny Brown and another united player. Probability that he said comment was 1 in 5 and as the FA deal in probability rather than evidence he was found guilty. Pope did swear at Leo but as the ref said in his statement he heard only 'industrial' language. The FA discounted the refs evidence. At no point was the United player called a liar but he was the ONLY one who heard the comment. By the sounds of it the FA might have taken a dislike to Histon using a barrister to deal with the issue.
The appeal did not review the evidence as they will only listen to new evidence so there was really no way this was going to be won.
The first hearing of the case was posponed due to no United players / officals turning up despite them being made aware of the date (which was the week before their Wembley game.
At no point did the United players surround the ref to complain about the comment during the game - something that happens with these incidents 100% of the time.
We have no further right of appeal only Pope could take a civil case out against the player who is no longer at United (which appears to be another story).
If you have any further questions then speak to Gareth at this weeks game. 100% of people attending (not all Histon fans) feel he should be back at the club.
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Post by DJTom on Aug 21, 2008 12:06:02 GMT
i back pope now
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2008 12:22:13 GMT
Sweep,
Do you believe everything said at the forum was 1) true, and 2) literally everything that needed to be said?
I'm concerned that Histon fans seem to want to chase a conspiracy theory, which involves a corrupt FA and made-up claims etc, rather than just accept the considered adjudication of the FA panel.
You must have known that the very point of the forum was to try and convince Histon fans to back Pope, so that the club could get their player back without losing any fans over it. Of course whatever happens the club has lost the respect of many outsiders and mud like this will stick, but the important thing for Histon FC is to convince you lot, the paying fans...so they're trying to create this 'us against them' mentality, with this propoganda.
Do you honestly believe that the clubs version of events details all the relevant information? Do you honestly believe an FA panel would or could do that AND get away with it? Is your barrister so poor at her job that she cannot win a case DESPITE there apparently being ''no evidence'' to support the racism claim?
Come on, you're so desperate to believe in this conspiracy theory that you would simply deny the charge, twice proven, to swallow whole every single word that has been fed to you by a group of people who, ultimately, want to keep your money coming into their business.
You won't like this, but you should take a leaf from United fans...go to their forum tonight, and see how much criticism and frank, open exchanges of views and harsh truths there are. We won't let our men wriggle off the hook, we won't simply swallow it all whole, we know men like this do bend the truth to suit their own needs.
I'm not sure what you consider worse, disowning someone who isn't guilty of racism, but guilty of abuse, or fully supporting someone who is racist and has lied.
It literally is one or the other.
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Post by kinfan on Aug 21, 2008 12:33:06 GMT
Local Fan you support Cambridge, so you believe what you want to, you want us to get shot of Craig Pope simply because you want us to fail, not only that you don't have any players to give Craig problems on the pitch, hence the reason Leo was sent on in that game so long ago.
Come on back Craig you know your not guilty so there's no reason to hide your wanted by your fans an management so don't let us down.
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Post by stags08 on Aug 21, 2008 12:37:33 GMT
Are you saying that this is all constructed by United because Craig Pope (what I gather, he's not first choice/one of your better players) is too good for us to play against?!
That's how it reads.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2008 12:48:34 GMT
It's remarkable that you would consider that the fact I support Cambridge would affect my opinion, and yet seem unaware that your support of Histon will have even more of a warping affect on your view! Incredible ignorance.
There are so many questions still for the club to answer, the most pertinent as of now is this: if the case was so weak, if there was so little evidence, then how on earth can a qualified barrister fail to prove the innocence of the defendant? How?
I cannot believe you so want to believe the propoganda and conspiracy. Histon want Pope back, and they don't want to lose any fans, that's all...innocence and guilt doesn't even come into it, this is about PR and money.
Also your point about Pope himself, as a player...laughable. Our right-back isn't racist and he's played at football league level and for the England C side, believe me...Pope wouldn't get a look in!
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Post by ftm on Aug 21, 2008 12:59:18 GMT
Localfan & Hortoo, give it a rest with your rants, you're both beginning to sound like a broken record. Your outlook is so polarised. You cannot possibly accept the possibility that the FA have bollocksed up here. Obviously nobody at Histon FC can come out and say that as they'll be brought up on further charges. I wouldn't trust the FA to carry home my shopping.
You are so desperate to criticise and put down Histon FC. Did you actually attend the forum last night? Perhaps it would have been better if you had then you could have actually listened to what was said rather than ploughing in with your own opinions.
It's a desperately sad story with no apparent happy ending. I just hope that as Cambridge United fans, you never find yourselves in a similar situation at your club.
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Post by kinfan on Aug 21, 2008 13:00:45 GMT
as I said you don't have a player to trouble Craig on the pitch, your rihgt back played football league, not now then?
you don't like the fact that we stand by our player, how come the player who reported the racist comment was the furthest away, are the players who were inbetween stone deaf, o and that includes the ref.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2008 13:05:02 GMT
ftm...we're just here to redress the balance. And it's amazing that you say that WE are struggling to accept something!
The most salient fact remains: Craig Pope found GUILTY.
That is FACT, that is there to deal with. Whatever may have been said at the forum, none of it has manifested in an actual, factual, concrete ruling by any body other than Histon FC!
So who is really struggling to accept the FACTS? Not me. And anybody else outside of this should agree.
One fact. Pope GUILTY. You're in denial, not us.
I wouldn't go to a Histon forum to get the fair-minded facts of the case, that's ridiculous! You got spin and propoganda, and you're all being hoodwinked into supporting a man whose guilty has been proven.
And Kinfan...our right-back has played league football and last year played for a side who finished 2nd, and is now top. Hows your team doing? Did they finish in the top 5 last year?
If the racist comes back, we'll see how he handles Felino...I'll remember this comment that none of our players can trouble him. Ha. We troubled just about everyone in this league, hence 2nd place...and now we're back to go one better.
You will languish. 12th place for you lot.
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Post by kinfan on Aug 21, 2008 13:19:52 GMT
localfan at the end of the season I will remember this post to.
just how many innocent people have been hung when found guilty.
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Post by ftm on Aug 21, 2008 13:30:01 GMT
The most salient fact remains: Craig Pope found GUILTY. You forgot to add the words "...by the FA" which kind of removes any credibility to your argument. Like I said I wouldn't trust the FA to carry home my shopping without making a mess of it. You then use words such as 'propaganda' and 'hood-winked' but claim you talk only facts. Unless you were actually there last night then I don't see how you can claim such things. It is less then just opinion on events, it is an opinion without even hearing the full story. I look forward to Sooty's write-up of the forum. Hoepfully you'll read it and think things through with a bit more of an open mind. Even if you'd then just admit that the situation might not be quite as black and white as you're making out then that would be progress. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2008 13:35:01 GMT
ftm...if the FA had found him innocent you wouldn't question the validity of the verdict...and neither would I.
Have some consistency for the sake of logic, please.
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Post by ftm on Aug 21, 2008 13:41:00 GMT
ftm...if the FA had found him innocent you wouldn't question the validity of the verdict...and neither would I. Have some consistency for the sake of logic, please. Localfan, I think you're misunderstanding. That is a foolish argument. If Craig Pope did not use the words in question, as he insists he did not then it would be perfectly consistent if the FA had found him innocent. Of course I wouldn't question the validity of the verdict because they would have got it correct. By refusing to even accept there is a possibility of the FA making a terrible mistake then you are showing a disappointingly blinkered outlook. As I said, it's a shame that you could not have made it along to the forum. Your arguments would have been more respected had you heard the full story. |
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