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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2008 13:54:57 GMT
Guilty man in innocent claim shocker!
Hardly unique, is it?
So if the FAs findings aren't consistent with Pope's self-interested denial, they're more likely to be wrong? Now that is a foolish argument.
I'm not refusing the possibility that the FA could have made a mistake, but in any event there are always other possibilities, what we do, so that things can get done, is work off the greater likelihood, or else we'd question everything and do nothing. Pope has been found guilty, I believe this to be more likely to be true than the conspiracy theories. Histon have much to lose from this reality, so they're offering a twisted version...and it's been very well stage-managed.
I said on another thread that I thought it very likely that this Pope quitting story was a smokescreen, concocted to make it look like he was quitting on principle, the actions of an apparently bereft, innocent victim...and that when the ban was served he would re-appear, now determined to soldier on despite the injustice served upon him.
Very nicely done, if it wasn't so despicable and contemptible I'd be standing to applaud.
I'm sure not all Histon fans have taken this hook, line and sinker...surely? Dc007...he said he was considering returning his season-ticket...
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Post by awaytravelandy on Aug 21, 2008 14:03:32 GMT
U also said alot of things that are untrue on other forums localfan!!! Maybe you shouldn't make it so obvious who you are if you are going to stand up and openly slag our fans off!!!
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Post by hops on Aug 21, 2008 14:04:41 GMT
You really do miss the point localfat - if Histon thought Craig is guilty he would have been dismissed immediately and never played for Histon again. An apology would have been issued and the matter would be done with. It is because Histon took a decision after reviewing the inncident and talking to Histon and United players about the incident that they are covinced he is as he claims innocent. We were given undisputed facts last night - all accepted by both parties.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2008 14:10:24 GMT
Undisputed fact number one: Craig Pope guilty.
Undisputed fact number two: Craig Pope appeal fails. Guilty.
It seems whatever 'undisputed facts' that have been 'accepted by both parties' it has made Craig Pope no less guilty.
How awful is your barrister, if she cannot prove innocence despite an apparent absence of evidence to prove guilt? Shouldn't you be asking that question?
Even if he does come back, his footballing life will be made absolute hell, which he thoroughly deserves. He will forever be known as Craig Pope the racist, and Histon as the club who supported him and defended his racist bile.
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Post by awaytravelandy on Aug 21, 2008 14:12:57 GMT
In fairness should it not be Cambridge Utd known as the Racist club??? They were the team/club that got sued and paid out to a certain player!!
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Post by 1993stutes on Aug 21, 2008 14:20:02 GMT
local'fan', were you there yeaterday... no, until you have heard and seen what happened then shut up, so please do us a favour, sooner rather than later!
and a key point, when your tarts didnt turn up to the 1st hearing craig said he wanted another trial to clear his name, surely he would not do this if he were guilty, eh???
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Post by P Doyle on Aug 21, 2008 14:23:45 GMT
Just to re-balance the arguments, here are a few details from the forum (which I did attend), that localfan and a few others may want to take on board.
FACT: Only one witness stated that they heard the alleged comment.....the other six, including two CU players(including Leo), three Histon players and the referee said they did not.
FACT: The accusing player said he did not see Craig make the comment, he just "recognised" his voice......this after confirming that he had never met Craig before the game.
FACT: The video used by the panel had no sound and they used lip reading experts to analyse the footage. They stated that Craig had used "industrial" language at one point but had no evidence of racial comments being made.
FACT: Cambridge United failed to attend the first hearing for the case, which would have allowed Histon to have the case thrown out. Craig did not want to be seen to be proved innocent by a technicality, so he insisted that a second hearing be convened.
The FA state that decisions in these cases are taken on the basis of probability, which makes their findings even harder to understand. I wonder whether the FA have pressure to be seen to be tackling racism in a very positive manner( no bad thing), but if that results in travesties such as this, then it is clearly a backward, not a forward step.
Histon as a club have no further legal redress on this issue, but as an individual, Craig does have a number of legal avenues he can pursue. I believe these options are being strongly considered.
As a Histon fan you would probably expect me to support Craig in this case until I was convinced of his guilt. This I have done, and the FA ruling has done nothing to change my mind....indeed it has shown me how lucky we are to survive in competitions overseen by such a shower of incompetents. In no legal institution in the land could someone be found guilty on the evidence of one witnesses "overheard" remark, despite the contradictory testimony of six other witnesses and a total lack of conclusive video evidence. Third world?.....it is not even that good!
Localfan etc.......whinge all you want......we don't think Craig is innocent.......we KNOW he is.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2008 14:28:08 GMT
Oh you ''KNOW he is''
No you don't.
Craig Pope - guilty of making racist remarks. Proven. The decision stands.
Welcome him back, you're welcoming back a 'convicted' racist.
Good luck with that.
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Post by ftm on Aug 21, 2008 14:28:44 GMT
Undisputed fact number one: Craig Pope guilty. Undisputed fact number two: Craig Pope appeal fails. Guilty. It seems whatever 'undisputed facts' that have been 'accepted by both parites' it has made Craig Pope no less guilty. To be honest I feel quite sorry for you that you can be so closed minded. As I wrote earlier, as a football fan, I hope that you never find your club in a similar situation. Not sure why a small proportion of Cambridge United fans have such a chip on their shoulders about Histon. I suspect it's to do with the fact that club now finds itself in a position well below the standard some were used to. Attempting to discuss the situation with you, Localfan, when you will not accept more than one possibility is futile. It would have done you the world of good as a person to swallow your pride and go along last night to at least listen. Sometimes the authorities get things badly wrong... just ask Barry George. Your postings are becoming repetitive and you are starting to make yourself look a little silly. |
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Post by 1993stutes on Aug 21, 2008 14:31:09 GMT
Undisputed fact number one: Craig Pope guilty. Undisputed fact number two: Craig Pope appeal fails. Guilty. It seems whatever 'undisputed facts' that have been 'accepted by both parites' it has made Craig Pope no less guilty. To be honest I feel quite sorry for you that you can be so closed minded. As I wrote earlier, as a football fan, I hope that you never find your club in a similar situation. Not sure why a small proportion of Cambridge United fans have such a chip on their shoulders about Histon. I suspect it's to do with the fact that club now finds itself in a position well below the standard some were used to. Attempting to discuss the situation with you, Localfan, when you will not accept more than one possibility is futile. It would have done you the world of good as a person to swallow your pride and go along last night to at least listen. Sometimes the authorities get things badly wrong... just ask Barry George. Your postings are becoming repetitive and you are starting to make yourself look a little silly. i dont think he's starting to look silly, we all know this! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2008 14:36:43 GMT
Well I'd rather look 'silly' in the eys of a few parochial village sorts than have the reputation of my club dragged through the mud safe in the knowledge that the mud will stick.
Up and down the country your reputation will precede you, well I suppose at least you will be known for something now...but probably not what you wanted.
If you think a Histon fans forum has presented all the facts in an unbias nature, then you're incredibly stupid.
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Post by P Doyle on Aug 21, 2008 14:38:43 GMT
Oh you ''KNOW he is'' No you don't. Craig Pope - guilty of making racist remarks. Proven. The decision stands. Welcome him back, you're welcoming back a 'convicted' racist. Good luck with that. Because the law always gets it right doesn't it? Proven?....read the above again.......even your prejudiced mind must have some doubts? Or am I being too optomistic? |
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Post by 1993stutes on Aug 21, 2008 14:40:24 GMT
wer'e known for long ball up and down the country. and your'e well known for selling decent players away for a fraction of what their worth, ask Reading, and now Stoke, ring any bells?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2008 14:41:31 GMT
I've said that there is always the possibility of some other explanation, in any conceivable case there is always more than one possibility. So this case is no different.
There are several parties involved in this case in some way:
Histon, Cambridge, Craig Pope, other Histon players, other Cambridge players and the FA
The ONLY one of those that has no vested interest either way is the FA.
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Post by P Doyle on Aug 21, 2008 14:45:46 GMT
Localfan...I agree wholeheartedly with your last comment.
The inference of my main post is that the FA have made a complete balls of this.....not CUFC.
It is just a shame that it may cost one man his career and taint the club in the process.
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